[NOTE: The discussion covers Trudell’s worldview that encompasses his call for humans to return to their intelligence and their humanity to forge a pathway forward. His responses to the questions now seem prophetic.]
Leila Conners: Just for the camera, what’s your name and where are you from?
John Trudell: My name is John Trudell. I’m in California. I know that humanity is not living in balance with nature. It’s not happening. And actually it’s more than a little out of balance. Humanity is actually at this point, almost going against nature. It’s beyond living out of balance. But I also think with humanity going against nature that there’s a small percentage, a small number of human beings that are behind this and driving it and imposing it upon just humanity in general.
In going against nature, what does that do to the survivability of humanity?
It reduces the opportunities for human beings to continue to participate in the evolutionary reality, indefinitely. It’s bringing a definite conclusion to the ability of the human beings to participate in this evolutionary reality because it’s going against nature or the earth. In actual terms what the industrial man is doing is murdering the life support systems. Murdering the water. The air. Murdering the life that gives us the ability to have life. And that’s really what we’re faced with. We can call it poisoning the water or whatever you know, but in the end it’s like an act of murder. Genocide in a way.
Why don’t we know that by murdering water, we murder ourselves? What about man is it that we don’t get that?
Well I think as human beings, we live in a technologic perceptional actual reality. Well a part of that technological reality is the civilizing processes. It erases the memory of the human being. It erases the memory from the human being of being a human being. It’s almost like a severing of our connection to any spiritual reality. And once that has been imprinted into the consciousness of the human beings I think that’s what makes these other things possible. It isn’t that as human beings we’re bad. It’s nothing to do with our badness. What it has to do [with] is that there’s a program going on that literally feeds off of the being part of human. Eating our spirit. And in order for all that to happen then these imprinting things have to happen to our consciousness and a part of that is to erase the memory of the human being about being a human being. See so we no longer participate in reality perceiving reality as human beings. We participate in reality as feeling as either like we’re oppressed culturally, ethnically, gender wise, class wise, but we participate in reality from the eyes of being victimized and very fearful. And insecure. We don’t think like human beings. But that reason for that is because there’s been a deliberate suppression of our memory of that identity.
Who is suppressing this and where is that coming from? Can you talk a bit about a few? Can you elaborate on that?
Well, I mean I don’t have any names. Well maybe a couple might jump to mind. But on this planet there’s an industrial ruling class. And this industrial ruling class is the smallest percentage of human beings on this planet. The governments that are created, are created to serve the needs of this industrial ruling class. And one of the needs of this industrial ruling class is they create these governments and to some degree these religions in these economic systems as a way of controlling the mass of human beings that they’re feeding off. You know, what’s the percentage of people that own sixty percent of the resources on this planet? Then we’re starting to get to who they are. They do have names.
How can we deprogram ourselves?
Think more. And believe less. And I don’t know. I’m not going to call it deprogram ourselves. To me it’s really an issue of how do we recognize ourselves. You know we need to recognize that we’re human beings. Recognize that we’re human beings. And our connection to the reality of power, is in that identity. Human. Our bone flesh and blood. Our DNA. We’re literally made up of the metals, minerals and liquids of the earth. We’re a part of the earth. We’re shapes of the earth. Like everything of the earth. And we have being. Our being. Our spirit, you know. And that being comes from our relationship to the sun, sky, universe. Because I mean sunlight is literally like the sperm that brings life to the water-bearing womb [that] is the earth. So our being is connected to that. And all things of the earth have being because we’re all made up [of] same stuff, just arranged differently, and have the same relationship to sun, sky, universe. So the reality of our relationship to power and purpose, so to speak, is in that identity. And now so how do we recognize and you know get back to that identity? I don’t have a specific answer, but the closest I can say to it is that if we would. A part of recognizing ourselves is to recognize our intelligence, and understand the value of our intelligence. Because as human beings our ability to access the reality of our power is in through clear and coherent use of our intelligence. See our intelligence, that’s the portal how we manifest and access to our relationship into the reality of power as humans is through the use of our intelligence. But we’ve been imprinted and programmed you know. I mean basically where we’re at now in the evolution of human beings, we’re basically in a period of time in this industrial technologic world where the majority of the human beings participate in this reality based upon their fears and their doubts and insecurities. So their perception of their inabilities. So all that was imprinted in there to make us not recognize ourselves. And to understand the power and recognize the power of our intelligence is, let’s say through our fears and our doubts and in our insecurities. How bad can we make ourselves feel? And how does that affect the people around us? Well that’s power. That’s our power. That’s a manifestation of our personal power but we’ve been imprinted to use it in this kind of a way. So we do have power it’s in how we recognize it and choose to direct it and use it. so I would say the first step to this is like recognize the value of our intelligence and the power of our intelligence. Because I think that any person or people that would be concerned about saving the earth and saving creation and have this type of an awareness. I think that a necessary component to that is to give thanks to their however one perceives the creator, give thanks to the creator number one for life and number two for the gift of intelligence. To show respect for this. Maybe because we need to show respect to our intelligence and maybe it’s a part of our thanks that we give on a daily basis, in a ritualistic way, because our intelligence to me I mean it’s like our imagination, our creativity, our thoughts and in our understanding, or misunderstanding, and in our actions, is what we manifest. And I think that it’s time for us to understand, look at, recognize and attempt to understand the value of our intelligence, because whatever struggle is ahead of us. If we are to participate continue to participate in the evolution evolutionary realities human beings it’s going to take clear and coherent use of our intelligence to do it generationally, collectively, individually, but that’s what it’s going to take. Everything that has ever been done to create these emotional distortions in us has been done to keep us from using our intelligence clearly and coherently. Now, so how do we de-program or get back? It goes back to we need to recognize ourselves. We really need to recognize ourselves, then we can synchronize all the other things in a much more synchronized way.
I would love to know from your point of view. It’s a two-part question and one’s down the darker side. I’ll do the darker side first. Do you believe that we’re approaching a bottleneck or you know title of this film was the 11th hour and a lot of people we’re talking to believe that if certain things aren’t done quickly that you know a lot of people will lose their lives just from natural catastrophes and things like that. Do you believe that we’re at that point from what you see, and if so, how do we get out of this situation? You answered that a little bit in your last question.
Well, no I don’t believe anything, alright? I don’t trust the word or the concept. I think it’s much more realistic to say either I know or I don’t know. Or I think. Because for me, I have to do this. I can’t open it you know with the believe thing. It means, like, why don’t I just acknowledge I don’t know? You know and think about things. See I think we should think in terms of, I think this, rather than, I believe this. You know, I think we’ll activate the coherency system a little bit. About the bottleneck and the thing, you know in the race to midnight it’s after 11, you know. And what can be done about it, because it’s not that nothing can be done about it. But again this comes back to how clearly and coherently we use our intelligence. Because I think that number one there’s no revolutionary solution to anything that we’re dealing with. There may be revolutionary stop gaps, but there’s no revolutionary solution. It’s about, we’re a part of evolution, it’s an evolutionary reality, so there’s an evolutionary solution. I think to head into the direction of this bad that is coming, I think that we have time. I think that it can be turned around in two generations but it’s going to take clear and coherent use of our intelligence to think our way through this. Not to emotionally react to the bad guys because we emotionally react, we end up doing the same old stuff over and over again and the bad guys just get badder and badder. That seems to be a historical reality. But also a part of that historical reality is that every rebellion that goes on, our cause may be just and right, and all the good, you know all the pretty flag stuff right. But in reality in every situation we were emotionally reacting by trying to challenge their ways by their rules. We weren’t thinking outside of the box you know. But we’ve been programmed not to think outside the box because we’ve been programmed not to like ourselves and be insecure and this and that so not trust certain abilities that we have. So we have to get past that. I think that if we can just seek to be as clear and coherent with our intelligence as we can, and within two generations see because that will create answers and solutions to problems that exist that have no answers and solutions. But again it’s about to be as clear and coherent as we can. Not emotional reactionary, but clear coherent responsible initiated response to what is going on. And you know be prepared for this because there’s going to be a lot. The way that it’s headed now there’s a lot of dying coming. Tremendous amounts of dying because the planet is overpopulated. The resources are dwindling. That industrial ruling class, you know, they want to keep what they have. They’re on an anti-life destructive course with with the future. So for that industrial ruling class, and the dwindling resources environment we’re talking about and in the overpopulation, they need to purge this planet of huge tremendous numbers of the human population. And they’re gonna to do it, all right. I mean that’s what they’re setting all in motion now. See so that’s where it’s headed and this is why to me it’s very crucial because I don’t think that time is against us. Time is an ally. The real issue is are we times ally? Will we take the responsibility to use our intelligence clearly and coherently? Not be overwhelmed by the idea or say how do I do that, but just head in that direction. To think things out. Because when you get to the
realities of power, the illusions authority as an illusion of power, the state and all this and that right, we’re always outnumbered there. But if you look at the reality of power and say the reality of power is in clear and conscientious thought, clear and coherent thought, then we outnumber them. It’s just a matter of us getting to that point where we recognize our own value. We’re in a system that has devalued us see and the trick of the devaluing was it got us to devalue ourselves.
One last thing, unless you want to make any other statement, I have one last question.
All right, I want to make one statement all right. It’s about the math of the IQ. We know George Bush isn’t intelligent enough to think up all this mess, but we keep blaming him. So what does the math of the IQ say about our intelligence? It’s my puzzle.
That’s a good point. Well, there’s one other thing, because you’re so good on this and I, and it’s an easy question but I want you on camera for the answer. I have two more questions. Do you think it’s a moral obligation to protect the planet in the future and protect the evolutionary process that we’re on?
No I don’t think it’s a moral obligation I think it’s a spiritual responsibility. It’s our responsibility. A spiritual responsibility.
The last thing is we’re compiling at the end of all of these interviews a message to let’s say that a generation 50 years from now or 100 years from now what would you like to say to them given what you know about the world right now if they were able to watch you?
Use your intelligence clearly and coherently. Think.
Thank you. How have you come to this place in your life and your ideas? What path brought you to this place?
I went crazy when I was about six right and never could synchronize it. Never could really synchronize with the normal and the sane, I mean really. I mean because I look at the life to normal and the sane and the typical, they’re powerless, they feel powerless, they feel overwhelmed, you know and me I kind of went a little crazy about that age because reality changed for me. And I went out and I lived I lived my life how I lived it no big plan just I lived it the way I lived it at any given moment and I’ve learned what I learned from that living, you know I can’t take any credit for anything you know I just I mean I’d like a lot of things I’d really like to take I mean I think I would like take some credit for a lot of it but I’m not sure that I ever really know what I’m doing you know so I mean that’s really the best I could answer that it just turned out the way that it turned out. But what I did learn from all of that is and I’m not I’m not you I’m nothing unique or anything like that. I just some kind of a way stumbled on some of the abilities that we all have and I just stumble upon them within me in my own manner and fashion, you know. But I mean yeah, I just was born. Went through every day till I got here to this spot.
Thank you. Thank you very much. ~